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I love the interactive aspect of social media like Twitter and the opportunity to learn. A day without learning is a day wasted in my opinion and the freedom of speech in the US makes life interesting. The other day I had an extended discussion with a very nice woman that notes she is from the Chicago area. I launched this website because I love the lightning rod aspect of the name and topic. Often times, I follow people with very different political opinions to hear diverse thoughts to challenge my current thinking. My family has the same diversity as I have a far left family member that teaches at a university who debates with another member who an evangelical conservative - also a lively discussion and one I look forward to. The reason I decided to add this Twitter discussion to my blog is because of the passion of Twitter account @futuredirected, a self described socialist, and I'm interested in the perspective of others who follow us on Twitter or read our blogs: Specifically: - Why should companies be excluded from the opportunity to operate under the auspices of freedom of speech which US citizens enjoy? Aren't corporations a collection of people that have decisions made by people? Depending on my political views, I might not like the communication of the NRA or MoveOn.org but why should the organization have its freedom stifled in either case? - The discussion circled for a bit around whether a corporation is a legal entity or "living" from the standpoint that a corporation is not just a factory, office building, or retail location - it is a collection of people following strategies to achieve a common goal. I think both perspectives are true but what do you think? - I feel if a company communicates in a way I don't like, I can chose to withhold my purchases which will mean their sales/profits will decrease. In that situation, the company will need to either go out of business if enough people act in a similar fashion or it will need to change to survive. However, @futuredirected didn't seem to embrace this concept. Can corporations be punished for the political views or business tactics they utilize? - If corporations are "evil", why would socialism be optimal? Socialism would need to be ruled by the ultimate corporation, the government, which can swing wildly in direction/philosophy with different parties winning elections? How will socialism improve freedom or the lack of freedom we have today? - I suggested if workers don't agree with the corporation they work for, they have the freedom to leave that company and work for a different one they agree with. @futuredirected expressed the idea that workers are punished in that situation and I think workers are empowered - which opinion is right? I believe employees run the world and make a difference with their choice of the company they work for. Am I wrong? Does taking a new job cost employees dearly? - We had a great deal in common with regards to the current political climate and the need for responsible, honest speech. While we might differ on what we think is honest/responsible, I enjoyed the fact that we had that in common. - Does the constitution only protect the wealthy? Is it a worthless piece of paper that doesn't protect the lowest? I think it protects everyone equally and is one of the best examples of everyone being on equal footing in the country - what do you think? The full discussion is below and I'd love your opinion. It might be a little difficult to follow but hopefully it will inspire your thoughts - thanks to @futuredirected and everyone that has a comment! ? RT @futuredirected: @onlinegunclub. I don't think You'll like me very much. You should be immediately disarmed. #p2#CO3 free speech is great 7:47 AM Mar 16th ? .@onlinegunclub Free Speech is great? for Human Beings. Money already talks too loudly. The Corporate interest is in promoting Fascism. #CO3 10:36 AM Mar 16th ? @futuredirected corporations are made of people and people make decisions at corporations from both parties - I've never quite understood 10:53 AM Mar 16th ? @futuredirected ask Arthur Andersen or Enron about being held liable for actions. Bad deeds by "anyone" means they can be held accountable 11:03 AM Mar 16th ? @futuredirected whether it is the NRA or MoveOn.org, both corporations are entities made up of people and people make the decisions 11:03 AM Mar 16th ? .@onlinegunclub Without committed speaking by responsible individuals, without Corporate noise, Democracy cannot exist as such. #CO3 #p2 11:04 AM Mar 16th ? @onlinegunclub Which people make the decisions? Is it the will of the shareholders and stakeholders? Why do corporations need human rights? 11:07 AM Mar 16th ? If a corporation uses their "free speech" to promote unwise causes, individuals can stop buying their products and they will cease to exist. 11:07 AM Mar 16th ? politicians in both parties "spin" (lie) so much that they can't meet threshold of "responsible" so is our democracy dead in that context? 11:11 AM Mar 16th ? @futuredirected politicians in both parties "spin"(lie) so much they can't meet threshold of "responsible" so is our democracy dead? 11:16 AM Mar 16th ? @onlinegunclub US Democracy is so bent and twisted by big-money interests, irresponsible speech, cynicism, resignation. If not dead, dying. 11:18 AM Mar 16th ? @futuredirected shareholders, management, stakeholders, employees, customers, etc all make decisions - a free society empowers everyone 11:18 AM Mar 16th ? @onlinegunclub Individually, yes. For what purpose shall we extend that right to collections of individuals who already have a voice? 11:21 AM Mar 16th ? @futuredirected so why is the solution to limit freedom - be it people or companies? 11:21 AM Mar 16th ? @onlinegunclub A corporation is a fiduciary entity whose wealth can buy unfair reach for itself, against the interests of many individuals. 11:27 AM Mar 16th ? .@onlinegunclub The law against sleeping on sidewalks applies equally to rich and poor alike. Or does it? #CO3 #p2 11:28 AM Mar 16th ? @futuredirected Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; 11:32 AM Mar 16th ? @futuredirected or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, 11:32 AM Mar 16th ? @futuredirected and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Why should companies not also live in a free society? 11:33 AM Mar 16th ? @futuredirected if employees don't like the corp speech, they can leave - if other stakeholders don't like the speech, they have redress too 11:35 AM Mar 16th ? @futuredirected Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. - applies to corps and individuals 11:50 AM Mar 16th ? RT @onlinegunclub: Why should companies not also live in a free society? []Do companies live? Do they have lives? Government by corporation? 12:28 PM Mar 16th ? @onlinegunclub ?is the definition of Fascism. As for the Constitution, it is a useless waste of paper, if it does not protect the lowest? 12:29 PM Mar 16th ? @onlinegunclub ?among us from domination by the wealthy corporate interests. America is Fascist, through and through, already. 12:30 PM Mar 16th ? RT @onlinegunclub: if employees don't like the corp speech, they can leave?[] This is some nasty sh*t. Nasty f*cking Fascist SH*T. #p2 #CO3 12:31 PM Mar 16th ? Workers of the World UNITE! Capitalism and Corporations are YOUR SWORN ENEMIES! Death to Capitalism! #CO3 #p2 @onlinegunclub 12:33 PM Mar 16th ? @futuredirected Leaving a company you don't respect to go and work for one that you like is fascist? That is the epitome freedom! 1:12 PM Mar 16th ? @futuredirected people that perceive themselves as powerless are powerless-need to give all people more credit-be empowered & not a victim 1:17 PM Mar 16th ? Saying I quit my job, here at this company, because I don't approve of its political action, costs the emplyee dearly. @onlinegunclub 2:15 PM Mar 16th ? The trouble with the stance You take is what You call freedom produces slavery. You do not wish to consider it. @onlinegunclub 2:16 PM Mar 16th ? RT @futuredirected: Saying I quit my job, here at this company, because I don't approve of its politics, costs the employee dearly. Why? 2:16 PM Mar 16th ? Now, I am completely bored with You. This is not what I am on twitter for, and I will not continue this. @onlinegunclub 2:17 PM Mar 16th ? RT @futuredirected: The trouble with stance You take-what You call freedom produces slavery. Seems like you don't give working people credit 2:19 PM Mar 16th ? @futuredirected Good luck with your endeavors 2:20 PM Mar 16th ? @janieo My feeling is if someone is interested in a topic, I am willing to discuss it. If someone wants to argue, what's the point? 4:38 PM Mar 16th ? @janieo I knew I was attempting to converse with a scary, stupid person when he said "Why should companies not also live in a free society?" 4:45 PM Mar 16th ? @janieo If You think an inanimate corporate entity should "live in freedom" or even *could* live, You've probably overdosed on the Kool-aid. 4:47 PM Mar 16th ? @jodotcom All those cuddly, living, breathing corporations. They need love and free speech too, don't they? LOL!!! 4:52 PM Mar 16th ? @janieo and five-ninths of the SCOTUS can kiss my flabby, middle-aged ass too. Corporation runs for office, http://is.gd/aLaRf 4:55 PM Mar 16th ? RT @jodotcom: It's crazy to think a corporation is a person, and should be able to influence govt [] You know it! 5:01 PM Mar 16th ? @janieo It's OK. Unlike corporations, we are human, with emotions and freedom. We can be as mushy as we want to be. Mwah! 5:06 PM Mar 16th
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